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do El Nino years effect the timing of spawn? earlier? later? duration?

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It is all based on water temp. So, no, does not always make a difference.

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isnt El Nino associated ith warmer then average temps, which might also mean warmer then average water temps and maybe triggering the spawn earlier then normal?

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isnt El Nino associated ith warmer then average temps, which might also mean warmer then average water temps and maybe triggering the spawn earlier then normal?

that sounds right 
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What Todd said! besides, what is normal?


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El Nino is associated with warmer than usual water temps in the Pacific Ocean (the part that affects us). You're usually talking about 2-3 degrees difference in ocean water temp. From this we MIGHT get heavier than "normal" rainfall totals but it doesn't mean a warmer winter, per se. Just a POTENTIAL of more precipitation but again, not necessarily higher air temps.
 
The one part I did forget to mention is light penetration is also associated with when fish begin to spawn. They sense this very well and we see it as more hours of light in the day.
 
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Good info Todd, I was going to say most of our storms this season have been cold ones. The Pineapple express has not hit us yet with the warmer tropical storms. Perhaps they are on the way but so far most of the storms have given us snow at some relatively low elevations.  Good Question Steve!


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thanks is part of the bigger picture for me i guess. i havent been bass fishing long, so im tryin to develop patterns. tryin to figure out where and when swimbaits will work, when to use crankbaits, and so on. what to use durin active and inactive times........

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This is a complicated subject and every lake is a little different. I think it is best to look at the spawn in stages.

  1.) The first spawners: Some of the best fishermen I know swear that the biggest fish spawn first. Some as early as February (on the west coast) in water that is under 55 degrees. These fish move to spawn primarily in response to the length of the days, and make the move on the first full moon once the weather has stabilized (water temps aren't dropping below 50-52 at night). I do know that best anglers I know eagerly anticipate the first spawners, and this is when they have caught truly monstrous bed fish. The early fish also tend to be the easiest to catch as well. Giant easy to catch fish sound good to me. Trick is finding them because the water is usually pretty stained at this time.

    2.) The main spawn: This is when the largest population of fish to their business. This is usually on the first full moon when the reaches 60-62 degrees.(On Clearlake this usually at 64 degrees. Warmer than most lakes.) This is the classic wave of fish that will crash the banks en mass when a good warm snap coincides with the moon and temps.

     3.) The last spring spawners: These are the fish that come late. They are usually the smallest batch of the three, but there can be some real big fish in this group as well. Depending on the weather this can last a long time. I have seen these fish into early July on Clearlake in years with lots of rain or a series of storms that come through late in the spring. These fish usually spawn deepest, sometimes 10-15 feet deep. (remember that when the surface temp is 62 the water temp in 5-10 feet of water can still be in the mid 50's)

     4.) The fall spawn: Last but not least is the freakish fall spawn. It seems that every year when the conditions in the fall mirror those in the spring (just,  getting colder not warmer) a few fish will spawn again. These are almost never fished for because almost no one is looking for them. These fish aren't usually real big, but if you catch things right you can be only guy catching 25 lb sacks with ease for a few weeks.

 I can also say that in my experience fish are spawning deeper every year. Well this is all I know on the subject. I hope this helps.

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ahh good info thanks Benno. who does pre-spawn factor into it? does the spawn usually happen in the same places every year? what sort of water depth? tryin to determine where at my local lakes those spots would be.

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great info benno !!!


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1stchild. What are your local lakes?
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well i live in San Francisco, but dare not fish in lake merced. i do most of my fishin in Marin, shore (Kent, Alpine, Nicasio, Stafford, Bon tempe, Phoenix)

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1stchild I am not too familiar with those lakes, but here is my general opinion. Fish will tend to spawn in the same locations every year if the lake level and cover stays about the same year to year. A big factor to consider is fishing pressure in spawning location. With the rise in bed fishing pressure I have seen fish spawning deeper and deeper every year. Again a deeper spawn is a later (chronologically) because it takes longer for the deeper water to warm to acceptable levels.

     On lakes with lots of flooded cover (tules, trees, overhanging trees, ect.) fish push back into the thickest stuff they can find. bottom composition is extremely important. They need a place where they can lay eggs on relatively hard bottom where the silt can be fanned away and be kept clean. In my opinion the best spawning locations will be protected from the wild winds of spring, have a hard bottom and offer some protection overhead from predators.

     Prespawn is another thing by itself. The main thing that I think of is: where are they going to spawn? I then look for the nearest depth changes and cover that lead to the areas where they have been spending the winter. The fish will be somewhere between the two, it's just a matter of finding the best cover and structure in that pathway. Then keep moving in as they make their way in.

    I can't wait for the prespawn bite to kick in, that is the best fishing of the year in my opinion.

       Good luck,
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Great question to ask Steve. Especially for all of us newbs.

Guys, great responses as well. I really appreciate all the effort you all put into answering these types of questions. Benno, thanks for a very detailed description of your idea of the spawn as well.

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