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thanks for all the info guy's what about fishing really thick grass out in open water should i use more of a finesse jig?



And the answer to the thick grass would be: It Depends......on how you want to fish that grass. If you want to get down through the canopy of that thick grass, you would be much better served by a 1 oz jig on really stout gear. If you want to swim your jig over or alongside of the grass, a lighter jig with a full skirt would give you more speed and depth control for swimming. If you want to just hit the holes in the grass, pitch a 3/8 oz with a craw trailer to the holes. Just like Todd said, it's all about different situations.

My advice to someone who is wanting to learn to fish a jig is to go out and get a few in different head styles and weights, and simply go and fish them. I also like to stay with basic jig colors sch as brown or black, and make most of my variations through choice of trailer. Once you start to develop some confidence in a color and trailer combination, start to experiment a a little. You will start to develop your own preferences for style, color and presentations, and they will be somewhat different from everyone else. I mainly fish Clear Lake, Sonoma, and Berryessa. They are all outstanding jig fishing lakes, and they each fish way differently from the others. It would not be difficult at all to put together a dedicated jig box for each lake based on the different ways I fish those lakes.

Here's a plan to get you started.

1. Buy some jigs. Black or brown, football and arky style, 1/4 through 3/4 oz

2. Buy some trailers. Get whatever colors you would use with confidence if you were fishing a worm. Grubs, craws, beavers, pork, brush hogs are all good. Any big nasty plastic with good movement and bulk is good.

3. Make sure you have the right gear. Good jig gear = STOUT gear. Most jigs have a fairly heavy hook and weed guard, and you need a bit of power to get that hook driven home, and the fish moving toward you. I use heavy rods and no less than 14 pound fluorocarbon line in open water, 16 pound fluorocarbon line around rocks and docks, timber and sparse cover, and 65 pound braid when flippin jungle stuff at Clear Lake and Sonoma. Too light of a rod will humble you.

4. Get out and fish. Take only your jig gear, and leave them girly crankbaits at home. Crankin is for sissies anyway. Throw that jig and nothing but, and you will get bit.

5. Have faith. Know that there is no wrong way to fish a jig. It is the most versatile bait you can own. The only way I know of that you will not catch a fish with a jig is to not fish it.



Drag yourself on up to the Sonoma tourney in Feb, and take a look around at the end. I'm betting you'll see some guys that used some jig stuff collecting some money at the end.


Travis
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Hey Miguel, just a little friendly advice ... for as much trash you've talked on this forum, you would think youve got bass fishing locked in. Why dont you do what everyone else in this club does ... get out and fish ... trial by error. It took me 3 years in this club to catch my first jig fish. Its not my favotite bait, but I certainly have one tied on in every tournement. Come to our meetings and try a tournement or two. Thats your best way to figure out jig fishing. We certainly are going to give you ADVICE, but we're probably not going to give up to many of our secrets. Try darker colors with beaver trailers. I like black/blue or black/red with a chunky trailer on it. Definately try braid.. You feel the bait better I think. But Like Travis said ... get out and fish
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thanks for all the info guy's what about fishing really thick grass out in open water should i use more of a finesse jig?



And the answer to the thick grass would be: It Depends......on how you want to fish that grass. If you want to get down through the canopy of that thick grass, you would be much better served by a 1 oz jig on really stout gear. If you want to swim your jig over or alongside of the grass, a lighter jig with a full skirt would give you more speed and depth control for swimming. If you want to just hit the holes in the grass, pitch a 3/8 oz with a craw trailer to the holes. Just like Todd said, it's all about different situations.

My advice to someone who is wanting to learn to fish a jig is to go out and get a few in different head styles and weights, and simply go and fish them. I also like to stay with basic jig colors sch as brown or black, and make most of my variations through choice of trailer. Once you start to develop some confidence in a color and trailer combination, start to experiment a a little. You will start to develop your own preferences for style, color and presentations, and they will be somewhat different from everyone else. I mainly fish Clear Lake, Sonoma, and Berryessa. They are all outstanding jig fishing lakes, and they each fish way differently from the others. It would not be difficult at all to put together a dedicated jig box for each lake based on the different ways I fish those lakes.

Here's a plan to get you started.

1. Buy some jigs. Black or brown, football and arky style, 1/4 through 3/4 oz

2. Buy some trailers. Get whatever colors you would use with confidence if you were fishing a worm. Grubs, craws, beavers, pork, brush hogs are all good. Any big nasty plastic with good movement and bulk is good.

3. Make sure you have the right gear. Good jig gear = STOUT gear. Most jigs have a fairly heavy hook and weed guard, and you need a bit of power to get that hook driven home, and the fish moving toward you. I use heavy rods and no less than 14 pound fluorocarbon line in open water, 16 pound fluorocarbon line around rocks and docks, timber and sparse cover, and 65 pound braid when flippin jungle stuff at Clear Lake and Sonoma. Too light of a rod will humble you.

4. Get out and fish. Take only your jig gear, and leave them girly crankbaits at home. Crankin is for sissies anyway. Throw that jig and nothing but, and you will get bit.

5. Have faith. Know that there is no wrong way to fish a jig. It is the most versatile bait you can own. The only way I know of that you will not catch a fish with a jig is to not fish it.



Drag yourself on up to the Sonoma tourney in Feb, and take a look around at the end. I'm betting you'll see some guys that used some jig stuff collecting some money at the end.


Travis


fishing deep grass i mean like suspended off the bottom i would think a big old half oz jig would hang up in that
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fishing deep grass i mean like suspended off the bottom i would think a big old half oz jig would hang up in that


I know what you mean. Most types of grass will form a thick canopy on top, and then be much thinner underneath. A big jig (3/4 to 1.5 oz) will punch through that thick mess on top and get down into the thinner underside of the mat where you can work it. A lighter jig will get hung up in it and not get all the way through very easily. You can approach it however you want to, and figure out what works best for you. The only folks who can tell you for certain that you are doing it right or wrong are the fish. If you're getting bit with a little finesse thing on the top of the mat, then you're doing something right. If not, you'll want to change.
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I fished with a well known pro who turned me on to swimming a jig like a spinnerbait on top of submerged weeds like a spinnerbait.He schooled me that day doing that technique while I was throwing my trusty wareagle spinnerbait.He was using a white 1/2 oz.revenge jig with a double tail white grub for a trailer.It was pretty weird seeing that white jig swimming about a foot under the surface just above the weeds get hammered,sometimes just a few feet from the boat.
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So, Travis, are you going to be able to make it to Sonoma? We can't be a team again but would love to go head to head with you! I want the honor of Jig/Sonoma master Travis fishing with us! Call me sometime.

Oh, like Bill mentioned, Travis is a JIG MASTER! Follow his advice and you will catch bigger fish more consistently.

Miguel, one other thing, jigs can catch numbers but when I'm fishing them it is for QUALITY fish. They've helped me win a lot of $$$ along with many other successful guys (Denny Brauer for example). It's why I ALWAYS have at least one rod with a jig on it.

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Thanks to Todd and Travis for a wealth of information regarding jigs.

One thing to add though.................... Isn't there a stiking resemblance between Travis' and Todd's avatar?

Just a thought. Todd ur going down in Sonoma and don't forget about our bet.

T
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Terry, now that you mention it, there is something very familiar about our avatars...both are much better looking than you!

On that note, thanks Mike for the Avatar.

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Todd, I'm definitely plnning on being there at Sonoma. It looks like most of the first half of the season is on my off days, so I may actually get to finally fish enough to make a TOC. I've never qualified due to not fishing enough. Stupid work getting in the way important stuff like that.


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Good eye Terry. I think if you look closely you will see that Todd is slightly more handsome but Travis has a much more intellectual look.
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i don't know why everyone is talking about fishing a jig at sonoma. ill be fishing my trusty split-shotted hulla popper:funny
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shoot if i was there i would be fishing the flats with a carolina rig and a rattle trap burning it, fish are spawning this early in the year people don't know it but the florida stains spawn a lot earlier in the year
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spawning in 44-48 degree water miguel? florida strains do better in WARM water dude...thats why the are originally from florida, and you wont find them inplaces like lets say oregon where its too darn cold. I dont think you'll see n e floridas on n e beds right now.
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spawning in 44-48 degree water miguel? florida strains do better in WARM water dude...thats why the are originally from florida, and you wont find them inplaces like lets say oregon where its too darn cold. I dont think you'll see n e floridas on n e beds right now.
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no maybe not now but they are probly almost in pre spawn mode on flats, i caught them out of spring lake off the bank in late feb. when your guys' tournament is at Sonoma, Florida strains do spawn before the northerns also dude, in Florida they are probly already spawned out
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spawning in 44-48 degree water miguel? florida strains do better in WARM water dude...thats why the are originally from florida, and you wont find them inplaces like lets say oregon where its too darn cold. I dont think you'll see n e floridas on n e beds right now.
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no maybe not now but they are probly almost in pre spawn mode on flats, i caught them out of spring lake off the bank in late feb. when your guys' tournament is at Sonoma, Florida strains do spawn before the northerns also dude, in Florida they are probly already spawned out


I wish Miguel would explain to the Florida fish in Clear Lake that they are supposed to be getting hot to spawn right now. Those Florida fish there are mostly suspended in deep water and locked up tighter than a nuns ****.

The bass spawn is going to be kicked off due to two things:

1. Temperature. LM bass, both Florida and northern strain will start to hit the beds at about 58 degrees, assuming the next requirement is met.

2. Light period. Bass eggs require a certain amount of light exposure to survive. Light period also has a big bearing on temperature(obviously). The further south you go in the spring, the faster the days lengthen. I could go into the orbital mechanics of the earth to explain the light period in great detail, but it would be very boring stuff.

In some circumstances one of those two things can outweigh the other if they are sufficiently unbalanced. If the water is excessively warm, you may see the fish move up earlier. A good example of this is some of the power plant lakes in my native TX. That water stays up into the low to mid sixties through the winter, and the fish will start spawning in late Jan or early Feb, where colder lakes around them wait until March or April. On the other side of that I've seen fish here go on the beds after a nasty cold snap in the spring kept the water in the low fifties, but the days were long enough for greater light penetration to compensate for the colder temps. When you get a big imbalance though, the spawns are generally not as successful.

A lot of folks think that moon phase is the biggest factor in when the fish spawn, and I think it is a factor, but not to the degree that it is the driving force behind the spawn. If the temp and light period are inadequate, the moon phase is going to do squat to influence the fish to move up.

Florida fish spawn earlier on the calendar than NorCal fish because they get more temp and light period sooner due to geographic location. We lag them by almost two months on sun angle, which makes our bass spawn later than down there.

Sonoma in Feb is not going to have either the temps or the light penetration to have the fish even thinking about spawning.

I could give my theories on how Sonoma fish work this time of year, but that may have to wait until after the tourney.


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